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Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jul 24 @ 3:50 AM ET
Theo Fox: Draft: Day 1 Review Thoughts on the Blackhawks trade with the Blue Jackets to acquire Seth Jones and the impacts moving forward.

Plus, a look at the Hawks selecting Nolan Allan as their 1st round pick in the NHL Draft.
BDT36
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.04.2012

Jul 24 @ 4:40 AM ET
First! Thanks for this great write up, Theo!
FeatheredFinn
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Tampere
Joined: 11.30.2014

Jul 24 @ 5:19 AM ET
Disappointed with the details of the trade and the bloated AAV, but trying to stay positive in that Jones will absolutely thrive in Chicago and in doing so raises the level and spirits of others (Kane) as he goes glueing this team to a better place...that or its 15 years of revisiting this day in mainly agony...so I choose the latter, please. ...and hoping the rest of the offseason raises some more smiles, like the DK trade not so long ago.
hawk35
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NF
Joined: 08.26.2009

Jul 24 @ 5:21 AM ET
The cost was indeed high. But, landing any big name 1st pairing D-man will always be a high cost. The first chatter was that D-Cat or Dach were the ask (along with the picks) to be going the other way. If true, super glad it became Boqvist instead.

For the immediate two years I don't think it matters much, as the Hawks are AT LEAST 3 years away. But, hopefully Jones is a key part of years 3-7 from now when we SHOULD be ready to make some playoff noise again.

Presently....Jones in....Boqvist and Keith out. Makes us a touch better i think. Let's see what else Stan has in mind before we all condemn him. I thought it was a couple years early to make a big splash, but maybe there is more to come......let's give it time...
35Tony0
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Jul 24 @ 6:58 AM ET
Thank you, Theo.
As you and others have said, the traded away draft choices are something to consider. I too hope they are restocked with further trades, but I don't see scenarios where they are 1st rounders.
Given the Seth Jones contract signed is an indicator to me the 'Hawks might think they are closer right now to being playoff competitive than the consensus on this board's commenters opinion.
We shall see. But I'd definitely be more than ok with the 'Hawks being right!
stevefrmglencoe
Joined: 05.21.2013

Jul 24 @ 7:50 AM ET
Solid summer for the Hawks. Keith is completely washed up and Hawks rid themselves of his contract. In his day he was an amazing defender but the rare Norris Trophy winner who could not quarterback a powerplay. Boqvist is a band-aid who is weak in his own zone and coaches will hate.

A first round pick has a 50% chance of playing 300 NHL games and a 2nd rounder has a 25% chance of playing 300 games. Pretty sure Jones will play 225 games of top line D for the Hawks making this trade statistically worth it.

Keep in mind what happens at the trade deadline. Toronto have up a first round pick for a few games on Foligno.

Can't worry about the AAV or the term because the Cap will soon be rising fast with alternatice media money and Jones has a game like Lidstrom (great skater and positioning) which will stay elite into his 30s.

Tatoo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 12.17.2016

Jul 24 @ 7:51 AM ET
We need to get a goalie if we are going to compete.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jul 24 @ 8:30 AM ET
Well after digesting the events of yesterday I'll agree with Theo and a lot of the board that the cost to acquire Seth Jones was too high. Yes, the money will work out in the end but S. Jones really better prove his fancy stats are wrong in order to justify his salary. Still cautiously optimistic.

As far as the pick at 32. Well, we now know that Stan and Mark Kelley don't read HB and this board. I think this one is really a stretch. Really doubtful this kid sees much if any time in the NHL.

I found it interesting that the 2nd round pick that was sent to the BJs was immediately used to get Jake Bean from the Canes. I know that Bean is probably not a whole lot better then a lot of the kids we already have so we'll see if the Columbus can make him a useful NHLer.

So we'll see what else Stanley has cooking this summer. Still a lot of dead weight and holes to fill for this ream to even sniff the playoffs.

Angotti
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Jul 24 @ 8:42 AM ET
Another good write up Theo. Buffalo traded Ristolainen for a defenseman, a first and a second. The Hawks traded the same, plus they switched their #11 for #32. I’d rather have Jones, although $9.5M aav is tough to handle, but Stan likes to give out a million or two too much. Although it looks like an overpay, I’m in the wait and see camp(no ledge for me, I don’t like heights), I’ll let you know in three years if this was a good trade and sign.
Ogilthorpe2
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Joined: 07.09.2009

Jul 24 @ 8:57 AM ET
Well after digesting the events of yesterday I'll agree with Theo and a lot of the board that the cost to acquire Seth Jones was too high. Yes, the money will work out in the end but S. Jones really better prove his fancy stats are wrong in order to justify his salary. Still cautiously optimistic.

As far as the pick at 32. Well, we now know that Stan and Mark Kelley don't read HB and this board. I think this one is really a stretch. Really doubtful this kid sees much if any time in the NHL.

I found it interesting that the 2nd round pick that was sent to the BJs was immediately used to get Jake Bean from the Canes. I know that Bean is probably not a whole lot better then a lot of the kids we already have so we'll see if the Columbus can make him a useful NHLer.

So we'll see what else Stanley has cooking this summer. Still a lot of dead weight and holes to fill for this ream to even sniff the playoffs.

- Rota's Rooter

Agreed, though probably not so optimistic. I’ve always thought Jones was overrated, (note: overrated does not = bad) but I was fine with the trade until we heard about the 2022 1st round pick. I don’t think it’s wise to ever trade those, but especially not when you’re a team in rebuilding mode. Robbing Peter to pay Paul usually isn’t a successful model. As far as the fancy stats go, I do think that they have their place, and I don’t dismiss them out of hand like some do, but then again these are the same stats that suggest that Zadorov had a good season last year, so there’s that.

Then to top it all off, Stan drafts someone at 32 that he could’ve likely had in the 4th round.
Ging72
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.13.2017

Jul 24 @ 9:06 AM ET
STAN GOT FLEECED AGAIN , GAVE UP TO MUCH FOR A GUY THEY COULD SIGN NEXT YEAR FOR NOTHING. JONES IS A GREAT DEFENSE-MEN , AND WILL HELP THIS TEAM. BUT HIS NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM A PLAY-OFF TEAM LET ALONE A CUP CONTENDER . JUST PUTS HAWKS BACK FURTHER IN THERE DEVELOPMENT. NEED TO LET THE YOUNG GUYS PLAY SEE WHAT THEY GOT. AND WHEN THEY BECOME A PLAYOFF TEAM ADD A BIG NAME PLAYER OR TWO TO GET THEM BACK TO THE TOP
Ogilthorpe2
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Chicago Blackhawks
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Joined: 07.09.2009

Jul 24 @ 9:20 AM ET
STAN GOT FLEECED AGAIN , GAVE UP TO MUCH FOR A GUY THEY COULD SIGN NEXT YEAR FOR NOTHING. JONES IS A GREAT DEFENSE-MEN , AND WILL HELP THIS TEAM. BUT HIS NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM A PLAY-OFF TEAM LET ALONE A CUP CONTENDER . JUST PUTS HAWKS BACK FURTHER IN THERE DEVELOPMENT. NEED TO LET THE YOUNG GUYS PLAY SEE WHAT THEY GOT. AND WHEN THEY BECOME A PLAYOFF TEAM ADD A BIG NAME PLAYER OR TWO TO GET THEM BACK TO THE TOP
- Ging72

Can you say that again? A little louder this time.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jul 24 @ 9:21 AM ET
STAN GOT FLEECED AGAIN , GAVE UP TO MUCH FOR A GUY THEY COULD SIGN NEXT YEAR FOR NOTHING. JONES IS A GREAT DEFENSE-MEN , AND WILL HELP THIS TEAM. BUT HIS NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM A PLAY-OFF TEAM LET ALONE A CUP CONTENDER . JUST PUTS HAWKS BACK FURTHER IN THERE DEVELOPMENT. NEED TO LET THE YOUNG GUYS PLAY SEE WHAT THEY GOT. AND WHEN THEY BECOME A PLAYOFF TEAM ADD A BIG NAME PLAYER OR TWO TO GET THEM BACK TO THE TOP
- Ging72


HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jul 24 @ 9:35 AM ET
Another good write up Theo. Buffalo traded Ristolainen for a defenseman, a first and a second. The Hawks traded the same, plus they switched their #11 for #32. I’d rather have Jones, although $9.5M aav is tough to handle, but Stan likes to give out a million or two too much. Although it looks like an overpay, I’m in the wait and see camp(no ledge for me, I don’t like heights), I’ll let you know in three years if this was a good trade and sign.
- Angotti


Agree. No ledge for me either. I'm disappointed they didn't pick a lane and stay in it in terms of rebuilding.

Like Ogi said, I don't like giving up the 2022 1st and even this year's first.

That said, while Boqvist looked to be getting better, I wasn't sold he was ever going to be a top pairing dman and like Shaw, I worry about his staying power.

A number of people had mentioned if he didn't learn how to take or avoid hits he was going to have a short NHL career. I think he's already had a couple concussions with the Hawks or at least been in protocol a few times.

While most people agree Bowman lost another trade, I do believe this may be the first time he's made a "big boy" deal and gotten the best player in it.

Trying to look on the bright side and in that respect, they kept Mitchell and Beaudin who are like Boqvist under 6' (smurfs though thankfully not you know what) puck movers. Didn't have to give up Dach, Dinky, Reichel or Kurashev.

Still have a lot of young guys so still a lot to be excited about and I'm hoping Jones brings some stability to the back end.

I'm also on board with what others have mentioned in terms of maybe Stan can recoup some picks by offloading Z or Strome. Just so GP knows, I'm not thinking they will bring back first rounders because that's apparently what I think all Hawk players are worth...though they should be able to get one of those for Carpenter, no? (RF)
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Jul 24 @ 9:37 AM ET
What’s done is done fellas. Move on and if you think this will be our opening night roster you’re nuts!
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Jul 24 @ 9:39 AM ET
that was a rough day. really put a damper on what could be a exciting weekend. all the people that were down on giving hamilton 7 X 8.5 next week would kill to undue this trade and do it! insult to injury we swapped picks with COL and took a guy projected in the 4th round in most boards. Reichel was a small reach last year. was penciled in around mid to low 20's and took him at 17, that turned out OK.

a few questions would be why didn't we include Connelly in the deal to get him off the books for next year? how do you do so well in getting Keith off the books and so poorly with the Jones trade?

mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jul 24 @ 9:43 AM ET
Lotta doom on the Board of Doom. Who woulda thunk it?
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jul 24 @ 9:49 AM ET
It's really not that bad of a trade. I dunno about the money, closer to 8 better but they needed a leader on the blue line and Jones is a very good player. With a healthy toews and a full season of dach they are probably a top 10 scoring team which will at least make some of the regular season entertaining.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Jul 24 @ 9:52 AM ET
Lotta doom on the Board of Doom. Who woulda thunk it?
- mohel


As Paul said, from the positive/optimistic people.
stonefire
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Prague
Joined: 10.22.2006

Jul 24 @ 9:55 AM ET
1D or 1C are not often available via trade and although price was steep, I don’t think it was outrageous. We shall see in a few years, but right now a lot depends on 2022 1st, how high is that one going to be? This year’s draft does not seem very strong as a whole and I was hoping for the Hawks to sell high on Boqvist, his concussion history is concerning.

I don’t mind such move for a rebuilding team, it gives them a strong foundation to build on, lends time and space for all the young dmen to improve at their own pace. Boqvist+Sillinger as a price to speed up the process (as opposed to being able to draft let’s say Němec or Jiříček next year to give the team true 1D prospect), that is something I can live with.

Contract is far from great, but such is the nature of the beast, I guess. It remains to be seen if Jones is a true 1D, if he is a good fit in Chicago and what this means for Caleb, short- and long-term.

Lots of angles to look at and this offseason is far from over yet.
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jul 24 @ 9:57 AM ET
What’s done is done fellas. Move on and if you think this will be our opening night roster you’re nuts!
- Assman22

Agreed...Stan may have some more surprise's up his sleeve later today and especially when free agency opens. Hold on everyone
CanHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 10.27.2020

Jul 24 @ 10:00 AM ET
Dont like the Seth Jones acquisition.
Overpaid on many levels.
Hard to rebuild when giving up first and second round draft picks...makes no sense. This team is not one player away from competing. I dont get it.
Proof again that Bowman is average at best at what he does. How many more (frank) ups before we move on from his tenure? And then a reach at 32....sigh.
gazza53
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 09.15.2017

Jul 24 @ 10:06 AM ET
#StanChiarelli

This is the board that mocked the Roman Josi deal the day it was signed

Seth Jones can't carry Josi's jockstrap let alone equal his play on the ice.

Nolan Allan was slotted at 101-118 on a couple of mock draft boards
Scott1977
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jul 24 @ 10:10 AM ET
Lets see what today and the rest of the off-season. Agree with giving next 1st was overkill but that's bowman losing another trade to Columbus. And not selecting roberson raty or chiibak hugh mistake. Strome dehann Zadorov all need ti be dealt to recoup some draft capital back. I was fine with boqvist and 11t and 2nd but extension to many years and overpaid by 2million imo. Hoping they get coton dach in the 2nd round. This was never a rebuild but retool on the fly. And one last thing as long as BOWMAN and JC are here hawks will not see the playoffs again. One question for i get the sense and this my own opinion but seems to be a discord between bowman and Kelly and the scouting staff. I cannot see kelly being happy with the 32nd pick Logan Allan when potentially better players were available.
Chisoxhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: New Bedford, MA
Joined: 09.24.2012

Jul 24 @ 10:12 AM ET
Agreed...I would try to get Fleury and send out Strome with Zadorov
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